Rick Dalton got Susan with the flamethrower and Cliff Booth smashed Krenwinkels face into the phone, fireplace mantle, glass picture on the wall and the coffee table so it's all good. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. Brenda ? Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. He was involved in the two Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination, the CIA in Operation Bluebird, biker gangs and worked at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station at the top of Laurel Canyon. This comment has been removed by the author. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. He befriended me and he was definitely a man with a violent past, and I suspect a rather dangerous past. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}. Reeve Whitson was born circa 1931, at birth place, Illinois, to Mervyn Whitson and Florence Whitson. And life just gets more better and more clearer! Now Manson is a "secret agent"? Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} It's not like the Moorehouse affair which is plain wrong. O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. Robert Linkletter and Reeve Whitson - ProBoards As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. Reeve Whitson, Tom O'Neill's Masterpiece CHAOS, and Difficult - YouTube It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. I knew this long before O'Neill's book came out. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. This cannot be correct. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Let's try Whit Reevson. Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. Average Age & Life Expectancy Reeve Whitson lived 9 years shorter than the average Whitson family member when they died at the age of 63. %PDF-1.7 % Her story has changed more than once. Mr. O'Neil proposes that Charlie may have been used as a pawn to catch bigger fish, this theory alone really makes this story much bigger. What I would prefer mr oneill to do is to line item compare ALLL OF THE PROSECUTORIAL BS BOGEYLOSER PUT FORTH BY PUTTING OUT ANOTHER BOOK USING REAL PROCEDURALS FOUND IN COURT (WESTLAW IS BONO FIDE) ALLOWING THE REAAL STUDIOUS TO JUDGE OR ANALYSE FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IF YOURE AT ALL SWAYED IN THE LEAST BY "HELTER SKELTER" YOU ARENT VERY INTUITIVE ANYWAY. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. One should remember, it was dark, most of them were unfamiliar with where they were and they weren't exactly studying the scene. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. I am considering just putting it online and having a donation fixture. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? Someone above kept insisting he "popped up out of nowhere." The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power Another to identify | SlotForum Also Mon I think Whitson might be the truest character in O'Neill's book, but I think people are going to throw the baby out with the water on this one. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? But it was in those early days of '69 that it began to assume a definite shape and that the rest of the Family began to understand and assimilate it {well, as much as they did understand and assimilate it}. I can't imagine Candace Bergen allowing that.But that's just me.. Katie I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughters, he is the worst kind of person. So you're right.What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the stateCan you give details of one occasion where he was arrested in actual possession of drugs, actually prostituting young girls, actually in possession of stolen stuff and speeding ? Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. I am in Chapter 6, when Reeve Whitson is just being introduced as the cryptic CIA agent "He used his thumbnail to tear the top-right-hand corner of every piece of paper he handled, to mark it. Grim said: But it's not true. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life"His name first popped up in the book 'Sharon Tate - A Life' by Ed Sanders, which came out in 2016:"..Hatami testified at the trial that Manson wanted to know where 'somebody' lived - referring to Terry Melcher. "pg200LAPD Sgt Mike McGann, Tate investigator: "He was heavily involved." These papers are in the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abeliene, Kansas. If he worked for Bugliosi I don't remember his name being mentioned in his book, unless it was just a sentence and I've forgotten it.BTW, Hatami took many pics of Sharon at Cielo Drive. Paul H. Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. The morning after the murders, his father realized his son had not been home. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? Mon Durphy, youre forgetting Manson, his mysterious partner, and of course Whitson who was in the house after the murders but before the police came. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. This is the third time. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. "I don't know. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. 77 0 obj <> endobj He also knew Charles Manson. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. CHAOS Question : r/TrueAnon - Reddit And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. One of the girls actually tried his door knob. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. The licensing process for model cars began in 1966 with a Scotsman by the name of Reeve Whitson, the first to establish a company that served as an agent to the racing car manufacturers to license their copyrighted designs to model car makers. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. Family, friend, or fan, this family history biography is for you to remember Reeve Whitson. And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ He didn't "bring" Hatami. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. When I learn of Bittaker's death 'I am going to party like it's 1999." I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. That doesn't make any sense. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? That sounds like a made up name. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. %%EOF He was a big talker and might have been a bit of Colonel Flagg type, but there is no doubt he had a lot of connections.How Whitson got so close to Bugliosi is strange and helped put pressure on Hatami. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Ridgways victims were my age, I was in high school through most of it. That guy was a nut-job! I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? Some sources report that Susan Atkins didn't do any stabbing that she called upon Tex to do it for her. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. LAPD were looking for Hatami at the request of Bugliosi because Bugliosi wanted to know if what Rudi Altobelli had told him about Manson turning up at his pad and having been sent there by the people at the main house {and 4 of the 5 Cielo victims were at the house that day} could be corroborated; Bugliosi obviously couldn't get corroboration from Sharon, Jay, Gibbie and Wojiciech and Altobelli had mentioned that he thought Hatami was there that day.Whitson went to Bugliosi's office with Hatami as a friend of Hatami. Who. Shahrokh Hatami of course hahahahahahaha. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. Reeve Whitson, Jolly West, Sidney Gottlieb. . He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. He told me he was there after the murders, but before the police got there. Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ?" IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. I neither believe nor disbelieve it although I'm being generous there because you've given me way more reason to disbelieve it. The CIA are not nice guys. Really? They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? Whitson was apparently an enigmatic figure, but counted among his friends a large segment of Hollywood and business. Mon Durphy said regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took 100s of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etcThat would apply, even if they hadn't taken loads of drugs over a 4~5 year period.
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